2018 Rossignol Experience 84 HD Skis 2018 Rossignol Experience 84 HD Skis

2018 Rossignol Experience 84 HD Skis

The Experience 84 HD is a relatively versatile all mountain ski that’s designed to be approachable for a wide range of ability levels. It has an 84 mm waist width, uses Rossignol’s Carbon Alloy Matrix technology and Auto Turn rocker profile, but instead of a relatively dense poplar wood core found in the 88 and 100, it uses a lighter Paulownia wood core. This reduces swing weight even more than the Air Tip already does, makes the ski slightly softer flexing, and ultimately more user-friendly for less aggressive skiers. Our three testers on the Experience 84 HD all skied the 178 cm length.

Jake Inger described the Experience 84 HD as a “fun all mountain ski.” He thought it was “poppy, carved well, and was very quick.” He thinks it would be a great all mountain ski and found that it handled a variety of terrain quite well, including icy slopes. Somewhat surprisingly to Jake it “handled some of the icy bumps well.” He also commented that it “didn’t feel too heavy,” which is partially thanks to the Paulownia wood core, but really all of the Experience collection skis are known for feeling relatively light weight (with the exception being the 100, which uses metal).

Mike Aidala thought it was a great “mid-fat all mountain option.” While mid-fat is a term that seems to change from year to year, we know what he means. It’s not super wide, but it’s not a super narrow, dedicated carving ski. It does borrow some design elements from both types of skis, however, with camber under foot and some subtle tip and tail rocker. It’s this Auto Turn tip and tail rocker that helps make turn initiation very smooth and easy, something that Mike picked right up on. “It initiates turns very easily and finishes the turn without much effort.” We think that’s the perfect way to describe how Rossignol’s Auto Turn rocker feels; it allows for seemingly effortless turns whether skidding, carving, or something in between.

Matt McGinnis had a great reaction to the Experience 84 HD, so we’re going to share his entire response: “The two words I would use to describe the ski are easy and capable. With the short turn radius the ski is super maneuverable, lending itself to anyone from beginners to advanced intermediate skiers who prefer a frontside ski that’s ready to change directions on a whim. I’d also use the word “capable” as the ski didn’t chatter, despite hard snow pack and quick speeds. The weaknesses are obvious as they’re exactly what the ski isn’t for: powder, playfulness, skiing switch, etc. All in all these skis perform the job they were designed for at a high level.”

We think Matt really describes the ski well there, although the one thing we’d mention in response to his reaction is that there are arguably more appropriate Experience skis for true beginners. A first time skier would likely find the Carbon Alloy Matrix provides too much torsional stiffness for them to feel comfortable, although a first time skier might not even realize the ski is overpowering them. On contrary, the Experience 84 HD is impressively approachable for less aggressive skiers and is definitely a great choice for a developing intermediate skier or even a beginner who has found rental skis, or more beginner oriented skis, just don’t provide enough performance for them.

Testers

Jake Inger Ski Tester Headshot Image

Jake Inger

Age: 20Height: 5'11"Weight: 170 lbs.

Ski Style: Fast and Energetic

Mike Aidala Ski Tester Headshot Image

Mike Aidala

Age: 40Height: 5'9"Weight: 170 lbs.

Ski Style: As fast as the terrain allows

Matt McGinnis Ski Tester Headshot Image

Matt McGinnis

Age: 27Height: 5'7"Weight: 175 lbs.

Ski Style: Surfy Freeride with a Freestyle Background

152 Comments on the “2018 Rossignol Experience 84 HD Skis”

  1. Im a 22 year old getting into my first full season of skiing. I’ve been looking at getting the Exp 84 HD skis. I have been skiing a few times in the past and would consider myself a beginner to intermediate skier. Im 6 foot, 185 lbs and was trying to decide between the 170cm or 178cm.

  2. Hi, I am an advanced-expert skier, 5’10”, and 135 lbs. I ski mostly Vermont, but will soon be hitting Mt. Hood more. I currently am using 165cm Volkl AC Unlimited w/ 72mm waist, however I feel like they are holding me back. I love moguls, steep stuff, chutes, the occasional glade, pretty much everything but the park. I was at A-Basin earlier this year and rented Nordica Enforcer 100s in 178cm and they were a blast. Currently looking at a pair of 2016 Rossignol Experience 84’s in 178cm. Do you think this would be a good ski for me? Thank you!

    1. Hi Scott!
      Do you not want to get the Enforcers? The E 84 is a pretty far cry from that ski, both in terms of shape and construction, not to mention performance. If you’re looking for narrower, but still with the Enforcer performance, they also make it in a 93 and an 88. I just think the 84 will still be a bit narrow and too trail-oriented for your application. Hope that helps!
      SE

  3. I was curious about the experience 84 hd…I currently ski on some atomic smokes and am more a carver than a straight down the middle type, skiing on the east coast with mostly snow/ice frozen granular conditions. I ski everything but moguls and trees, but consider myself an intermediate or better. Would these skis be a good choice?

    1. Hi David!
      They would! It’s nice to have a wider carver for a better and stronger platform, and the 84’s have a good amount of torsional stiffness for great edge grip. For on-trail advancing intermediates such as yourself, that Experience line is fantastic, especially the 84. Have fun!
      SE

  4. hi – I’m 5-7 @160 lbs. I was thinking about buying this ski and also the Atomic Vantage 95 C. I skied when I was younger (15-25), then switched to snowboarding for 10 years, took a 10 year break and now I am coming back to skiing. I’m not a complete novice as I know most of the techniques involved, but I was never an expert skier- more like aggressive intermediate as realistically, I only went skiing/boarding 5-7 times a season. I’m getting back to the sport so I can go skiing with my son who is in his first year of learning – he’s 5. What I’m afraid of is that I’ll outgrow a truly beginner ski as I do have some experience. What do you think?

    1. Hi John!
      I don’t think you’ll outgrow either of those models any time soon–they both have high-performance ceilings. The 84 is much more suited for on-trail skiing while the Vantage is better for all-mountain and off-piste activities like moguls and woods. The 84 will be more maneuverable when skiing with the kid. Have fun!
      SE

  5. I could use a little help here. Trying to decide what ski is best for me. Leaning towards Rossi. No particular reason. Just been doing research and I’ve come to feel like either the Rossi Experience or Pursuit lines would be a good fit for my situation. Probably going to go the pre-owned or demo route (possibly older model) to save money. I did just splurge on boots though. Nordica speedmachince 120s. Here’s my back ground: am a 49 year old former advanced to expert skier who grew up in VT and consequently spent most of my youth into my early 20’s skiing for pleasure and competitively all over the mountains of VT. When I moved to Texas I couldn’t ski more than once a year and eventually fell out of the acyivity completely. Now I live in western PA and there are a couple small hills that I have been skiing a couple times a year (on rentals) over the last few years. My kids have finally taken a shine to the sport too and I have decided I want to start skiing on the regular again both for exersize and as an activity for the whole family (beginning with an impromptu family trip to Killington next weekend.) I’ve already outfitted my wife and kids with appropriate inexpensive, used beginner gear. However, this coming weekend (and in the future with more regularity) I’m going spend some of that trip skiing with my dad and brother who still live in VT and are both ski at an advanced level as well. I’ve found that I still have my skilz and am ready for a performance ski- a total mountain ski good on and off piste, Good in man-made snow and the sometimes icey conditions of western PA, but that can handle moguls and both quick slalom-esque turns when facing down the mountain and wide slow carving turns on open groomed trails. I definitely want an advanced or at least intermediate to advanced level total mountain ski. I was thinking of either an experience 84 or 88 or pursuit 600 or 800. Fine with getting an older model to save some $$ but don’t really want to go back further than 2015-2016. I’m 5’7-5’8” and about 185-190 lbs. In short (sorry for going on for so long) I guess I need a general, all-around ski that would be considered a performance model for more advanced skiers. The reason I’m asking today is Rossi appears to have an eBay demo/pre-owned store and I need to make a decision quickly to have the skis shipped to my dads house in VT by lnext weekend. Any thoughts or recommendations/suggestions for which of these models/years would be appropriate or advice on other models I might want to consider would be greatly appreciated. Or, if I’m totally looking at the wrong products it would be helpful to know that too. Thanks for the help!

    1. Hi J!
      You’re on the right track! I’d go with the Rossi 84, as it’s a great all-mountain general purpose ski. The 88 is a bit stiffer and wider, and will handle more fresh snow than the 84, but they’re pretty comparable. The Pursuit series is more on-trail oriented, so if you never leave the groomers and really want to carve clean turns and not much else, then they do that really well. If you find an 84 at a good price, I’d get it. Hope that helps!
      SE

  6. This ski was recommended, along with the Experience 76 Ci, for beginner skis. I’ve only been skiing one time but generally pick up on things fairly quick. Would you recommend either one of these skis for someone like me? Or are there others you would recommend?

    1. Hi Brad!
      The Experience 84 is a more advanced ski than your current ability level, but if you do pick these things up quickly, you’ll likely grow into it rather fast. Conversely, you may outgrow that Experience 76 sooner rather than later, so that’s something to keep in mind. I recommend sticking to skis that are between 80 and 85 mm wide underfoot for your best chance at fast progress. Check out the Volkl Kanjo, Nordica Navigator (80 or 85), and the K2 Pinnacle 85. Hope that helps!
      SE

  7. I have been skiing for years but just getting back into it. Most of my skiing is on the East coast. I am finally looking into buying my own skis, I am 5’10/225 Lbs and an intermediate skill level. I am not sure which way to go with newer skis, currently looking at the ROSSIGNOL EXPERIENCE 84 HD or K2 Pinnacle 85 in the 170 range. If you have a suggestion of which you would go with or possibly another ski i would love to hear.

    1. Hi Pat!
      Both are great choices. I think you’ll like the stability of the Rossignol over the K2. The Pinnacle 85 is a bit on the light side, you could also look to the Pinnacle 88 which is a bit wider and has some metal in it for increased stability. If you’re looking at that one, also check out the Rossignol Experience 88 Ti–that’s a similar step up from the E84. I agree with the length! Have fun!
      SE

  8. Great site and comments are very helpful. I am 5’8″ and abput c 165lbs. Advanced intermediate and used to ski 178 Salmon Screams which could get a little heavy/more work in choppy conditions or icy. I can ski most anything but looking for controlled skiing with shorter turns as I get older but like off piste sometimes. I picked up skiing again after time off and Rossignol exp 84 sound like good fit for what I am looking for. Do you think the 164cm would still be fine for me or do I really need to move up to 170cm.

    Also is there a big advantage of this yr exp 84 vs last couple years versions

    1. Hi Brian!
      To answer your last question first, the 2019 Experience 84 is quite a bit different from the 2018. It’s a lot more versatile and easy to turn, but still has a high-performance ceiling. You’ll love the maneuverability of these skis. I’d say the 164 would be fine, unless you’re skiing quite aggressively, then I’d move up to the 170, but sounds like you’re a candidate for a 164. Have fun!
      SE

      1. Thanks I’ll look more at this year model based on your comments. Sounds like good improvement this year. Looks like size offered in Exp 84 this year is 160 and 168cm

    1. Hi Gregor!
      Personally, I prefer the E84, especially for carving nice, round turns. The Vantage is a great ski, but I like the feel and dampness of the Rossignol more. Hope that helps!
      SE

  9. Is the 2018 ski drastically different from the 2019? What size would you recommend in the 2019 Experience 84? I’m a 6’2’/187.5 cm male, 200 lbs/90.7kg, 44 years old. I will use the ski mainly on the groomers with my family but want speed when skiing on my own. I’m an intermediate/advanced intermediate skier. I’m concerned the 176 will be to short given the amount of rocker but will the 184’s be too long? Thank-you for your advice.

    1. Hi Pierre!
      Yup! Pretty significant changes for 2019. They’ve made it a lot more versatile, while still retaining the great on-trail performance. They’re much better at trees, moguls, and terrain other than groomers. I’d go with the 184. You’ll appreciate the stability. Happy skiing!
      SE

      1. Hi,
        I’m a 55 yo advanced intermediate woman who loves the moguls, but I’ve only been skiing them for about three yrs / so still trying to get better . I want a more ‘mogul friendly” ski (I ski blizzard black pearl 88 right now, which are great but I’m looking for something even more mogul-y). The Rossignol 84 experience and the Volkl carbon flair were recommended to me. I’m 5-4, 120 lbs, and I’m more interested in looking stylish around moguls than going super fast! Any thoughts between these two skis or any others? I can’t find the Volkl carbons to demo….

      2. HI Mari!
        Check out the Blizzard Black Pearl 78–just like your 88’s but narrower and more mogul-friendly! The other skis on your list are stiffer and not that much narrower. Have fun!
        SE

  10. I’m 65, 175 lbs, 6 feet. In great shape. Retired to Denver, I’ve been skiing three years about 25 days per year. I’m an advanced intermediate. I’ve been using K2s AMP Rictors 167/80. I do not ski blacks. I’m not into steep or fast. I just love being on the slopes, wide and groomed, blue and green. The K2s seem to chatter and don’t hold ice well. Plus they’re too short and don’t feel stable when I ski past 30 mph. Last season I rented several performance packages including Head Super Shape, Monster 88, K2 Pinnacle and the Volkl RTM 84, all in 178 length. Several people recommended the Experience 84 but it wasn’t available to rent. I really loved the firmness and grip of the RTM, like skiing on rails. They really plowed through afternoon crud but they got away from me a couple of times in the afternoon when I got too far back on them, a bit intimidating. Is the Experience 84 as stiff as the RTM and would it be a better choice than the RTM?

    1. Hi Dan!
      I’d say they’re about the same in terms of stiffness, but they have a more all-mountain feel. The RTM is definitely more trail-oriented, as it sounds like you found out, while the E84 has more off-road capabilities. They’ll certainly handle the afternoon crud better than the RTM. Happy skiing!
      SE

  11. Hello. I am a 30 yo (80kgs, fit, 180cm) aggressive advanced skier, i like to carve to the max but also enjoy some offpiste with light powder and some drops. I get the all-mountain skis advantage to throw them almost everywhere, but i am afraid that compared to a carving ski they wouldnt let me carve as much as i want to. What do you think and which skis do u recommend (pref salomon or rossi). Thanks.

    1. Hi Rabih!
      Everything is a compromise to some extent! Personally, I prefer Salomon, but that’s just me. The equivalent would be the XDR 84 Ti, which is a great all-mountain ski. The Experience 84 has more of a tip-to-tail carving character than the Salomon which has a more versatile nature. If you’re looking for better pure carving performance, the Rossignol is a better choice. Hope that helps!
      SE

  12. Hi guys!

    I’m considering the Rossi 84 HD as my all mountain ski. Would you say 170 cm is short for me? I’m in really good shape, 44 years old, 179 cm tall and weight 84 kg. I’m an advance (sometimes aggresive) skier who like to spend 70% time on the groomers and usually have to deal with icy conditions on piste. When off-piste its always front side and not so deep snow. Is this a good ski for me? is 170 cm the lenght you would recomend me?

    Thanks in advance!

    1. Hi Emiliano!
      That’s a great choice for an all-mountain ski! You are kind of in-between lengths, and based on the fact that you are somewhat aggressive, I’d recommend sizing up to the 178. You’ll probably appreciate the extra stability with the longer length at your level. Have fun!
      SE

  13. Hi

    After 3 years of sking I’m considering of buying my own ski’s; the 2018 ROSSIGNOL EXPERIENCE 84 HD SKIS. I’m 1m79 tall and my weight is 73kg. most of the time I am on the piste but sometimes I also leave the piste. Sometimes I have difficulties with taking turns. Do you think the exp 84 are a good choice?

    1. Hi Alex!
      The E 84 is a great first purchase! They are strong turners, so if you improve your balance, they’ll do a lot of the work for you. At 84 mm underfoot, they are wide enough to handle some off-piste adventures, but are best suited for on-trail carving. Have fun!
      SE

  14. Hey guys, really nice post and very enlightening responses. Wondering if you can offer some insight as I’m looking to buy a new pair of skis. I’m 37, 5’6″ and ~70kg. I’d say in relatively good shape overall, play soccer on a regular basis, run, bike. I ski essentially all the time in the Northeast and, for the time being I don’t venture off piste. I’d classify myself as early intermediate, for lack of better terms; I handle medium difficulty blues comfortably but have hesitated to move to more difficult terrain so far. Obviously I am not looking for speed at this point and not for the next few years, probably. I’ve been using rentals so far.
    I have gotten a number of recommendations, Rossignol HD 84 being one of them, Atomic Vantage 85 and Nordica Navigator 85. Not looking for something super aggressive but something that will perhaps challenge me a bit in the beginning but will be fun to grow into over the next 3-4 years, if that makes sense.
    I wonder if you have any thoughts on those or other recs and what length would you recommend?
    Many thanks
    Vasileios

    1. Hi Vasileios!
      The good news is that everything on your list will work for you. You haven’t set your sights too high or too low, they seem right in line with your descriptions. My personal favorite on that list is the Nordica Navigator 85 (171 cm recommended). They’re easy to turn, but have a high speed limit, so that fits in with your improvement hopes. The Rossignol is another great turning ski. They seem to excel at one type of turn shape, so if you like making super-consistent turns all run long, then that’s fine! The Atomics are very light and the carbon mesh in them makes them pretty stiff for how light they are. At the end of the day, my choice for you is the Nordica–not a whole lot of unsatisfied customers with these skis. Happy skiing!
      SE

      1. Quick update-I followed through with your recommendation and got the Nordica Navigator 85. They are pretty amazing, very versatile and handle both hard groomed snow and crud very nicely. I got a chance to demo both the Rossis and the Atomic and my impression was every bit as described above by you-Rossis nice and responsive and I could have seen myself using them, Atomics unexpectedly stiff which indeed came as a bit of a surprise. In the end I feel that Navigator was the optimal choice, so many thanks for such a great recommendation!

      2. Hi Vasileios!

        So happy you’re enjoying your Navigators! Thanks so much for sharing your experience thus far. Really cool that you were able to get on some of those other skis to compare for yourself, and I’m glad our reviews and recommendations matched what you felt yourself!

        Have a great season,

        SE

  15. Hi.
    I’ve been reading your really useful comments as I ‘m considering the E84 or maybe the XDR84. I’m 52yrs young, 5’6ft, 70kg. I very rarely ski off piste due to damaged knees, but with my knee brace ski as a confident Intermediate with 15yrs of ski holidays enjoyed. Generally ski with my wife mid to late season, Canada and often europe. Skied the Fischer RX8 165cm for many years but would like something a little more stable, user friendly that fatigues a little less as I get older. Your thoughts would be really appreciate, anyother ski recommendations would be most welcome.
    Cheers
    Si.

    1. Hi Simon!
      Both of those choices sound great! The new 2019 Experience series are a bit more user-friendly, so the E84 Ai is worth a look. The XDR has a very natural feeling that I personally love, and the light and maneuverable character makes it super-fun. In terms of length, the low 170’s to high 160’s should work great. Hope that helps!
      SE

  16. Hi!
    Have a few questions about what ski and length to choose. I´m 47years old, 6’5” and about 215lbs. Have been away from skiing for about 20 years but my plan is to take it upp again this winter. Used to be an advanced skier in my younger days, even competing a little bit. Still in good physical shape. My Skiing-days were before the time of carving-skiis, still having my Fischer RC4 vacuum somewere😂. I’ll probably ski about 20-30% off piste and the rest on. Quite often hard and sometimes icey conditions. Want a Nice allround ski I can ski aggressive and fast sometimes, but also be able to cruise on. Is that possible to find? I’m fully aware there must be compromises! I have questions on model and lenght. Been concidering the following models:
    Rossignol experience 84 or 88
    Blizzard rustler 9 or Brahma
    Nordica enforcer 93
    Atomic vantage 85 or 90
    Anything else?
    Length?
    / Pär

    1. Hi Par!
      Sounds like based on your size and experience that you’d over-power the Experience 84. There’s a lot of great skis in the mid to upper-80 mm waist width to choose from, so I’d stick to that arena. The Blizzard Brahma is the most on-trail oriented ski on your list, and one of the highest performing. You’ll get everything you want on that ski and then some. They are stiff, so “gentle” cruising is a bit of an effort, but when it’s up to the proper speed, it behaves sublimely. Also, if you’re spending 70-80% of your time on-piste, check out skis like the Volkl RTM 86, Blizzard Quattro 8.4 Ti and the K2 iKonic 84. These skis will offer tremendous on-trail performance with the ability to adventure when the conditions allow. You’ll be able to handle the longest lengths that most of these skis come in these days. Welcome back to skiing!
      SE

  17. Hello,
    I am thinking between Experience 80 HD and Experience 84 HD.

    I don’t go off-piste i.e. stays I stay mostly on groomers and only afternoon I have to deal with moguls, bumps and soft snow (plus bad weather scenarios).
    I am 190cm tall, 92kg.

    I would classify me as intermediate to advance skier, on slopes avg. 6-8 days per year.
    I owe now Volk RTM 81, I find it a great ski, somehow getting to tiring for me after couple of days on slopes.

    I am preferring more enjoyable skiing (alone or with family) than sportive or aggressive style.

    What model and length would you recommend?

    Thank you in advance for your support.

    Regards,
    Göran

    1. Hi Goran!
      You’ve got some nice choices here for sure! I’d also add that the 2019 Rossignol Experience 84 is a bit different than the 2018, and might be worth looking into. Overall, the 84 mm waist will give you more stability, especially when the groomed conditions deteriorate. The new version has lighter tips and tails, and a more user-friendly character. If you’re enjoying time with your family, you will probably enjoy the newer version. The 184 should be the right length! Other models for consideration: K2 Pinnacle 88, Nordica Navigator 85. Thanks!
      SE

  18. Looking for advise on a new set of skies and after reading this great feed I thought I would look for some feedback. I would considered myself an advanced skier but not quite expert. Ride black diamonds in Alberta and British Columbia most of the time and sometimes venture into back country. I’m looking for a versatile ski that will suit me for those days and the days I’m out with my wife on the groomed trails. I’m 6′ and 190 lbs. Open to all suggestions. Thank you!

    1. Hi Matt!

      Do you have any sense of what width you want to go with? Do you spend a fair amount of time on groomers, in addition to the off-piste, ungroomed terrain you ski? Do you use touring bindings, or is your backcountry skiing more “sidecountry” skiing? Just trying to get a sense of the conditions you’re typically skiing and what your overall goals are.

      Some skis that come to mind as very versatile all mountain skis include the new Rossi Experience 88 (all new shape!), Nordica Enforcer 93, Salomon QST 92, Blizzard Rustler 9, new Volkl M5 Mantra… I could keep going. I’m leaning towards certain skis in that list for you, but hoping you can give me a little more information before I narrow it further.

      We can definitely help.

      SE

  19. Hi,

    I´m 189cm tall and weigh 125kgs. I consider myself an intermediate skier and I´m looking to buy some new skis that will improve my level.
    Would you advise the Experience 84HD 17/18? If so, what size?
    What about the 88HD?

    Cheers,
    Luis

    1. Hi Luis!
      The Experience 84 HD are great skis for someone of your level and size. If you plan on progressing quickly, I’d recommend the 186 cm length, but if you are more conservative in your approach, the 178 would be a better choice. The Experience 88 is just slightly wider and will perform better in softer snow. If that is your intended ski terrain, then those will offer more flotation. Hope that Helps!
      SE

  20. Great review and super helpful comments as well! Was wondering if you could comment on my situation?

    I’m 6’0”, 175 lbs and I’ve been skiing the 2008 Head Monster IM78 in a 165 cm length for the past 8 years. I like the skis especially the 15m radius but they are a wee bit heavy and a smidge unstable on ice & crud – probably due to being a bit short for my size. I prefer to carve tight turns on groomers but as an East Coaster (NH & VT) I do need to handle ice, crud, and the rare powder day. Was thinking the 84 width and 170cm length of these Exp 84s might be a welcome change. Am getting a bit older (early 40s) and am not as into ripping hard and fast and I used to be, want to get a bit more focused on craving through everything at a moderate pace. Thanks for any advice!

    1. Hi Stefan!
      The mid to upper 80 mm waist width sounds about right for what you are talking about. The Experience 84 is certainly a great choice. A lot of companies have both a mid-80’s flat ski and a system ski with bindings that is more trail-oriented. Have you considered something like the Volkl RTM 84 or the K2 IKonic 84 Ti? This type of ski is not only fantastic at carving clean, round turns on the groomers, but they mostly have tip rocker and the wider platform to accommodate some fresh snow or chopped up crud. For a flat ski (not a system binding) option, Rossignol has revamped their Experience line for the 2019 year and we’ve gotten great response on the Experience 88 Ti. You should definitely try out some system skis before making a final choice. Have fun!
      SE

  21. I bought a pair of E84s early last year in super short size 154cms. This was put to me by a friend with whom I have skied, who himself has a pair of shortish skis, as a length for encouraging me to turn more, and gain speed control on steeper slopes.

    I hated them as they were the heaviest skis I’ve ever had. I have a pair of Salomon Lords in 177cms/86mms. They are right on 5kgs and a pair of Salomon Rocker 2’s at 166cms/108mm are maybe 100gms heavier. The short E84s weighed 6.5kgs and just carrying them gave me tennis elbow.

    Looking into what I could salvage I decided to have the Rossi rail bindings which were fitted as part of the purchase with screw-in heel-&-toe Salomon bindings. The pair now weigh just over 4kgs. I have used them one day so far and they were much better.

    An interesting observation is that on my Rocker2s the 166cm length feels short in that I keep thinking I am about to topple over the handle bars whereas not so with the E84s.

    1. Hi John!

      Yeah, you were definitely feeling the weight of the system binding. The actual Experience 84 HD is pretty lightweight, but that system binding is not. It’s better to buy the flat ski and mount it with your choice of bindings in our opinion, which is essentially what you ended up doing. The Experience 84 is available both as a flat ski and packaged with that system binding.

      Those Rocker2s have a shorter effective edge (more rocker) and a softer overall flex, so your experience between the two skis makes sense.

      SE

  22. Hello. I am 63, retired and now plan to ski more days than I have historically and looking to buy after many years of owning boots / renting skis. Ski Deer Valley, Jackson Hole, Sun Vallley and Steamboat. Solid or upper intermediate / maybe a bit better, but not an expert by any means. Ski primarily (70%) on blue / black groomed cruisers at mid – range speed but like to get off trail for bumps, powder, tree skiing. Weigh 198lbs, 72 inches tall. Thinking about Rossi Exp 88 or 84. Your thoughts on this choice for Model and length. Any others I should consider? Thanks!

    1. Hi Steve!

      I think you’d benefit from having the little bit of extra width of the Experience 88. You should also take a look at the newest, 2019 version of that ski. It has changed quite a bit, but I think it’s arguably better for the mix of terrain that you’re skiing than it ever has been before. It’s always been a great ski, but Rossignol really took the ski to the next level in terms of versatility for the new 2019 version. If you go with the new, 2019 ski, I would go with the 180 cm length as it uses quite a bit of rocker, but if you go with the 2018 version I think 172 cm would work well, as it doesn’t use much rocker at all and has very wide tips and tails, which makes it ski a bit longer than the new version. Either ski would work well for you, the new Experience shape is just a bit more versatile for softer snow conditions and un-groomed terrain.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

  23. Hi Olav,

    I am an intermediate/advance skier with height of 178cm and weighing 82kg. I have been skiing for many years but this is my first time delving into buying a set of ski and therefore need your advice.. I am based in Australia with its snow conditions generally icy and hard back snow. I generally stay in the groomers but would like to improve on moguls and speed.

    I have been looking at the Volkl RTM 84 and Rossignol Experience 84/88 HD and can’t decide on which is better to suit me and what height would be better – but happy to hear any other suggestions. Also can you recommend the ski length that would be suitable for me under any the skis that you recommend.

    Many thanks in advance,

    Kind regards
    HWC

    1. Hi HWC,

      Olav does not work for us. I can’t guarantee that he’ll respond, so I figured I would answer your question.

      The RTM 84 is going to be more challenging in moguls than the Experience 84 or 88. It’s a relatively stiff ski that’s really focused on firm snow performance. The Experience 84 would be the easiest in moguls out of what you’ve listed. Slightly lighter than the 88, so easier to maneuver, but still nice and stable at speed on firm snow. I would look at the Salomon XDR 84 as well. It’s similar to the Experience, but uses slightly more tip and tail rocker and early taper, so it’s a little more maneuverable and forgiving in un-groomed terrain. I think you should stick to the mid-170 cm range. 172 cm should work nicely for you in both the XDR 84, and if you go Experience 84 I would probably go with the 170 cm length.

      SE

  24. Hello,

    Thank you for all your reviews, I find them excellent!

    I am 49, 1.96m and 92 kig. I have skied about 15 weeks on and off since I was 12 ( the Alps) and would rate myself an intermediate level skier but stil impriving. I like to do fast long carving turns on blue slopes and short and long carving turns on reds. On black slopes and moguls I like a ski that easily “jump-turns”.I am tbeginning to try off- piste in soft snow short runs of 50-200 meters and I survive but it,s not looking smooth.

    Last year I skied the Rossignol Pursuit 400 and loved the short turns on groomers. But fast long turns were a bit unstable and I found them not that agile on moguls and difficult to turn in deeper / soft snow and in the afternoon slush at the bottom of the slopes.

    I am looking for a ski that carves and turns easily on groomers / skies light, but is stable at high speeds (not chattery), but that is not too much of a carving ski with no rocker so that I can get try getting better in softer snow and manage moguls and slush better.

    I am thinking of the 2018 Rossignol Experience 84HD or 88 HD. (186 cm and 188cm). Is it true that because the 84 HD is softer flexing it will turn easier on moguls, soft snow and slush compared to the 88 (despite it being 4 mm wider). Is the 84 stable enough at high speeds? Or would you recommend anothe ski (Sky 7)?

    Many thanks for your advice! Regards, Olav

    1. Hi Olav!

      I wouldn’t necessarily say the Experience 84 will turn more easily in soft snow than the 88. The extra width in the 88 definitely helps in conditions like that. I understand where someone would say the Experience 84 feels more user-friendly, but I don’t agree you can just make a blanket statement that the 84 is easier in softer conditions and un-groomed snow than the 88. I think at your weight you’d also appreciate the slight extra stability in the 88.

      The Sky 7 likely wouldn’t have the stability you’re looking for at speed because it uses so much rocker. Turns into a relatively short effective edge, which makes it ultra-maneuverable, but not very stable at speed. You could split the difference with a ski like the 2019 Experience 88 as that is a more user-friendly and more maneuverable shape in softer snow and moguls, but still rips on firm snow.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

  25. I currently have volkl ac20 unlimited 2008 which i love and am looking at some thing new, i ski about 5 to 6 days a year in Queenstown New Zealand.

    I spend most of time on the main piste but do drop of the sides sometimes. Mainly intermediate with a few Advanced trails. Tend to be on the quicker side of the intermediate scale. Now heading into late 40’s looking for something that is fairly easy on the legs and soaks up the bumps.

    Was looking and Volkl kanjo, Saloman xdr 80 or ROSSIGNOL EXPERIENCE 84.

    1. Hi Neville!

      I would go for either the Kanjo or the XDR (80 or 84 could both work). Both those skis do great on piste, but are really fun off piste as well. They’re both relatively quick skis, both when linking carving turns and when making more skidding, pivoting movements. Nice and versatile shape on both the Kanjo and XDR, and I like that they both use some metal, but not full sheets. You get some nice stability and vibration damping without it feeling heavy and sluggish.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

  26. I haven’t been on snow skis for over 20 years. I used to be an advance skier in my younger days. I am looking at starting back up with two to three ski trips a year. I really like what I have read on the 84 Experience skis. I am also interested in the 88’s, but would that be too much ski for being away from the sport so long?

    1. Hi Scott!

      I think the Experience 84 is a little more appropriate for just getting back into the sport than the 88. They’re similar, but the 88 is heavier and stiffer, so thus a little bit more demanding. The 84 is a little more user-friendly, but can still perform at a high level. I’d stick with the 84.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

  27. Would 178cm be too long for me? I’m 5’9″, 185 lbs, intermediate. 50/50 East coast / West, 80% on piste. Thanks

    1. Hi Alan!

      I think I just responded to your message on Facebook. Not, I don’t think the 178 cm length is too long for you at your size and ability level. The Experience 84 HD is relatively lightweight and quite user-friendly. That length should be perfectly manageable for you and will work well for the variety of terrain you ski!

      SE

  28. Hello, i have demo’d the Head SuperShape Titan @ 163mm, which your reviews also raved about, and i loved it.

    I’m a relatively new skier, started in January of this year, but have been on the slopes 2-3 times per week. So have been progressing quite well. I’m currently using a rental Fischer PRO MTN Fire, with 71mm waist at 155cm. I’m 50yrs old, 5’7 and 175lbs. Been doing mostly blues and single blacks recently.

    I’ve demo’d other skis in different lengths and waist widths and I think 80-84mm waist feels best for me somewhere around 163-164mm length.

    Given that i like the Titans very much, would the Experience 84HD be a good alternative or would the 80HD be closer in performance and personality to the Titans.

    1. Hi Francis!

      So, I’m going to start by asking you a question. If you loved the Titans, why not consider getting a pair of Titans? The Experience 84 doesn’t quite have the same torsional stiffness or stability of the Titans. It won’t hold an edge quite as well as the Titan is specifically designed for strong edge grip. It’s somewhat hard to recommend an Experience 84 or 80 based on just your feedback on the Titans. What other skis have you demoed? Did you like anything else as much as the Titans?

      SE

      1. Thanks for the reply. And sorry for being vague. It wasn’t until towards the end of the season that I considered demo-ing skis. I thought the Pro MTN Fires were good enough for me until I tried other skis, especially when we skied Stowe and had powder for 2 days and Bretton when we got 3ft in 2 days. The Fires just didn’t cut it.

        I consider myself an Intermediate or maybe Advanced Intermediate. Ski Blue and easier Blacks. Mostly groomers and of course, being on the East Coast, the unavoidable ice. Love the likes of Gondolier, Perry Merrill, Ridge Sunrise, etc. I like to do carving turns (my form may be questionable still though). Love powder when we get it. Don’t ski fast, I’d say more of medium speed. At my age, I try to stay at a moderate speed.

        Since my original post, I’ve tried other skis and have since thought twice about the Titan.

        These are what I’ve tried:
        Head Supershape Titan 163cm
        Head Strong Instinct 163cm
        Rossignol Experience 88 HD 164cm
        Volkl RTM 81 162cm
        Fischer Ranger 162cm
        Elan Ripstick 168cm
        Nordica Enforcer 93 169cm

        Interestingly, I now love the Enforcer 93 which the local guys at Bretton recommended that I try.
        Followed by either the Titan or the Experience 88.
        It may just be me but the Enforcer seems to handle ice better than the Titans or it’s probably my skill, or lack thereof, that made me think that way. Just felt like the Titans made me work more.

        Unfortunately, I didn’t get to try any Salomons.

      2. Hi Francis!

        The Titan definitely has better edge grip on firm snow than the Enforcer 93. More torsional stiffness, narrower waist width, mostly camber, so definitely a recipe that results in more edge grip. That being said, the Enforcer 93 is likely working better with your ski style than the Titan. Because the Titan is relatively stiff it requires a fair amount of skier input and some relatively aggressive skiing to make the most of it. The Enforcer is a little softer flexing, and the rockered tips and tails makes it more user-friendly, as well as giving it a little smoother and easier turn initiation.

        The Enforcer 93 really is a great all mountain ski. Can handle ice just fine and it really fun to ski in softer snow conditions too. After hearing more about what you like to ski and how you like to ski it I think it would be a fantastic choice for you, much more appropriate for you than the Titan. Chances are you’d probably like the Enforcer 93 more than either the Salomon XDR 88 or QST 92 (the most comparable skis from Salomon) just based on the construction they use and the overall feel it gives the ski. The Nordica construction gives it a very stable, confidence-inspiring feel, without feeling overly stiff.

        Hope that helps!

        SE

  29. Great comments and thanks to all who share them.. I have been skiing on 2012 172 cm Legend 85’s and thinking of changing to EXP 84’s Any thought on this ski for me and a length to consider?
    I’m an improving intermediate skier who ski’s the east coast hard pack most weekends. 51 years old. 6 3 and 225 lbs.

    1. Hi Mike!

      I think you’ll like the Experience 84 a lot. It’s a great ski for someone like yourself: intermediate level skier who spends most of their time on groomed, hard pack snow. If you want to I think you could potentially size up to the 178 cm length. At your size I don’t think that length would be too long and I think it would give you some confidence-inspiring stability.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

  30. Hi I am looking for my first set of skies I have been renting for 30 years. I am not aggressive more controlled at a medium speed intermediate to advanced skier looking to improve mostly ski groomed runs but do ski off groomed once and awhile don’t ski moguls or through trees. Looking for a ski that’s easy to turn holds turns well on icy runs or soft snow. I’m 6’3” 235 lbs pretty fit guy looking at the exp 84 or nav 85 anything else you recommend I’m not sure what would be the best ski for me and that I would enjoy. Thanks in advance.

    1. Hi Dale!

      I think both those skis could work really well for you, but just because you’re a pretty big guy I’m leaning towards the Navigator 85. It uses that Hex Titanium Bridge construction, so you get some of the performance benefits of metal, which I think is somewhat important at your size. Even though you’re not a super advanced/expert level skier I think you’re likely still giving your skis enough power to warrant getting something with a little metal. The Volkl Kanjo would be another one to consider. Not to take anything away from the Experience 84, as I think it’s a great ski, but I think it’s on the lighter side for your size, which might translate to some instability, etc.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

      1. Thanks for the reply I have read that the kanjo are for agressive skiers or with my size I could cruise on them. . I have also been looking at the xdr 84 looking for something easy to turn and forgiving. Thanks

      2. Hey Dale,

        Yeah at your size I don’t expect you’d have a problem on the Kanjo. The XDR 84 is another good one, and probably the most forgiving out of everything we’ve talked about so far. That XDR also uses partial metal, so I think it too would work well for your size. Slightly softer flexing tips and tails than the Kanjo too, so might have that forgiveness you’re looking for.

        SE

  31. I’m 6”4, 210lbs I have been skiing for over 30 years would you go with the 178’s or 186. I ski about 4 times a year.

    1. Hi Chris!

      I would say at your size you shouldn’t have a problem skiing the 186 cm length. How aggressive do you consider yourself? Do you ski fairly fast? If you’re a relatively advanced skier that’s at all aggressive I think 186 cm is the way to go.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

  32. First of all wanted to say this seems like a great advice chat/forum.

    I’m 42, 5’11”, 175lbs and have been skiing for 3 seasons now. I’ve moved up to skiing intermediate/blue level on the east coast (NY, VT). I’ve been using season rentals to date simply because I wasn’t sure what to get and financially skis were second priority to getting proper boots.

    My goal is to stay on piste at resorts on ski trips with the kids. Who knows, maybe an occasional black trail if I feel adventurous.

    I was reading reviews and guides and they all seem to hype the Rossignol Experience HD line. Any thoughts on the 80 vs. the 84? Length suggestions?

    Any other skis to consider?

    Not many options to demo skis around where I am, so have been researching online before I decide to buy.

    Regards,

    Bryan

    1. Hey Bryan!

      I think the Experience 84 is a great ski for someone like yourself. It’s not too challenging to ski for an intermediate level skier and really has great performance for someone who spends their time on piste. I’d go with the 84 over the 80. It handles softer snow conditions better, has slightly better torsional stiffness, but isn’t drastically more challenging to ski.

      The Salomon XDR 84 is always a fun ski to compare to the Experience 84, but I think the Experience is probably better for you as it focuses a little more on firm snow performance and is also a little bit lighter.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

      1. Hey Bryan!

        I probably should’ve mentioned the Navigator series too, as it’s definitely a competitor to the Experience and XDR. The Navigators are pretty cool because the tips and tails are designed somewhat differently. The tip shape is like an Enforcer. Rounded, blunt tip, with a good amount of rocker. Gives it a nice versatile feel in different snow conditions. The tail, however, is flat and squared off like their Doberman race skis, so it finishes a turn really well on firm snow. Lots of snap and pop out of a carving turn, which is accentuated by the shorter turn radius. Definitely a good ski to consider and hits a really impressive value!

        SE

  33. Hi team
    Thanks for the review. I have indeed been looking at the Rossignol Experience 84, and wondered if you could help me choose. I am a decent/good skier (not an expert) and ski 70% on piste / 30 off piste (in the off piste it is a combination of non-deep and deep).

    I have been looking at the Rossignol Experience 84 HD, Salomon XDR 84 TI, Atomic Vantage X 83 CTI, Fischer Pro MTN 80/86 TI and Head Monster 83 TI.

    1) Main priority is that I can trust the skis when it’s icy on the pistes (I guess the XDR is not as good as the Experience here? How about the others?)
    2) That they can manage in the off piste, although I know this is a trade-off with the point above (XDR the best? How does the Vantage X/Pro MTN compare?)
    3) I rarely go +90 km/h (read that this is otherwise where the Monster is great, for which reason I think this is the least fitting ski of the group)
    4) Are the 83-84 waist width optimal for my skier profile? (the Experience, XDR, Vantage X and Pro MTN all feature 80’s, but wonder if this is too damaging for my time in the off piste)

    Thank you in advance for the help!

    1. Hi Thomas!

      1. Yeah, you could argue that the Experience does better on true icy slopes because it has a longer effective edge.

      2. In my opinion XDR does the best off piste, with the Fischer Pro Mtn and Vantage 2nd, then the Monster, then the Experience.

      3. 90 km/hr is quite fast. Even if you’re getting close to speeds like that you need some solid stability in your skis. The XDR, Vantage, Pro Mtn, and Monster all will have good stability at speed. The Experience doesn’t use any metal so arguably isn’t very stable at high speeds.

      4. Yeah, I think so, especially if you end up choosing the XDR, Vantage X, or Pro Mountain. Realistically I don’t think the Experience is going to have the off piste performance you’re looking for even though it’s classified as more of an all mountain ski than a few of the skis you’re listing.

      I understand if those responses are confusing, so feel free to ask follow up questions.

      SE

  34. Just finished reading both the review and all the comments, great read! Many thanks for all the info. I had initially set my sights on Fischer Pro MTN 80 or 86 but after reading this I’m now considering the Rossignol Experience 84HD and the Völkl Kanjo as well. Do you have any pros and cons to give regarding these choices (if you have tested the Fischers that is, couldn’t find them on the site) ?

    About me: I’m 183cm/75kg and would consider myself a solid intermediate skier. Hasn’t really ventured to much off-piste previously but hoping to do so a little bit more in the coming years. Probably still somewhere around 80/20 piste though. Basically looking for a pair of skis to help me improve my technique on-piste but also give me the option to go off it every once in a while. Right now I’m on a pair of really old Salomon X-scream 8 (74 waist), which have served me well but I definitely feel it’s time for an upgrade.

    Also, what do you think would be the appropriate length for me? My current skis are 174cm and I sometimes find them a bit hard to manoeuvre in afternoon crud. Bit worried that for example the 180 length Pro MTN 80 might feel way to long.

    Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

    1. Hi Arvid!

      I would go with either the Fischer Pro Mountain or the Kanjo if you’re looking to start venturing off piste a little bit. The Experience 84 with its extended sidecut isn’t the easiest, most forgiving ski in off-piste terrain. The Kanjo would be a great choice for you in my opinion and I think it hits a nice length for you too at that 175 cm option. I don’t necessarily think a 180 cm Pro Mtn 80 will feel too long, but if you’re concerned about it that 175 cm Kanjo definitely isn’t too long and I think would give you the performance you’re looking for on groomer while being a little more manageable off piste. The Pro Mtn 86 can be somewhat demanding. Kanjo really feels like a great choice.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

  35. Hi, thank you for a great review! I am looking out for my first skies. I have been skiing the last 20 years – but always on mid – high quality rental skies. Always been on piste skies. I spend 95% of my time on the piste but am mainly skiing with my kids 9 and 5 years old so I’m thinking of buying all-mountain to get some more agile skies that does not kill my legs after a day i the snow with kids 🙂
    I have been looking at the experience 84, the Salmon XDR 84 Ti and the Nordica navigator 85. Have you tried all of them and would advise a new set of skies for me? Maybe its not right to look for an all-mountain skii but as I am getting closer to 40 and mainly going with kids I think this could be nice. Thanks! Anders

    1. Hi Anders!

      I think you’re on the right track here. Each of those skis would likely work for you. I would say out of those three the XDR 84 is the most versatile as it uses a little bit more rocker and has some early taper in the tips and tails. That essentially makes it more maneuverable in softer snow conditions, which I think is what you’re looking for. Forgive me if I’m misunderstanding. The Experience 84 HD is a great ski and performs really well on firm snow, but isn’t quite as maneuverable. The Navigator is interesting as the tip has plenty of rocker and early taper, but the tail is flat and squared off so it doesn’t pivot or smear a turn as easily as the Salomon. It finishes a carving turn really well, but it’s harder to release that edge. So, to me the XDR is the most “agile” and I think it could work really well for you.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

  36. Hi – most informative blog I’ve seen.

    I’m 62, 5’10” and 190 lbs. relatively fit – advanced intermediate skier. I ski in the east, mostly groomers, but would like some versatility. I ski on old Rossi B-1 Bandits. I’m thinking of the Rossi Exp 84 at 178 cm. What do you think of that and what other suggestions do you have? At this point I don’t push too hard and just want a fun and relatively easy ski.

    1. Hi Mitchel!

      Thanks!

      The Experience 84 would definitely give you more versatility than your Bandits and it’s a really good ski for cruising groomers too. I usually mention the XDR 84 Ti from Salomon to others in a similar situation. The XDR 84 has more early taper in the tips and tails, so arguably more versatile in soft snow conditions than the Experience 84, but it’s also heavier with some metal, so there’s somewhat of a trade-off. It really sounds like you’d enjoy the Experience 84 HD based off everything you’ve said and it will be a drastic improvement over your current skis.

      SE

  37. Hi SE,

    thanks for the fantastic blog and very useful reviews!

    I’m an advanced skier, 38 years old, 180cm tall and 72kg. I ski about 7-10 days per year, 7 hours or so a day; however, I’m not trained so I end up exhausted 🙂
    For the last 13 years I skied with a pair of Atomic SuperCross SX10: I love them, but I think it is now time to update to something newer!
    I spent most of my time on groomed trails and I have no problem on any kind of steepness. However, I’d like to have a more versatile ski as I wish to start skiing more often off-trail: I find my skis pretty heavy and having a small waist (65 I think) to do so.

    After some searching, I focused on 2 models (also based on offers I found): Rossignol Experience 84 or Salomon XDR 88.

    I had the chance to ski the other day with the Rossignol 84 and I liked them, especially off-piste. On-piste, I may need to get used to them a little bit more. It snowed a lot during the vacation, so there was no ice: I have no idea how the skis would behave in those conditions that are frequent here in Europe…
    Unfortunately, I’m not sure I’ll have the chance to try the XDR.

    I remember last time a skied with GS racing-like skies (Atomic GS11) I was dead after few hours (and I was 25 years old!). So definitely I don’t want a ski which is too stiff. Still, I want one that gives me security at my speeds – I’d say that my top speed in the turns is about 50-60 km/h, and usually I go slower.

    My main worry is: given the ski I’m used to, is the Rossignol too soft in flex? Would the XDR be a better option or maybe it would be too hard?

    Thanks in advance for any advice!
    Luca

    1. Hi Luca!

      I don’t expect you’ll find the Experience 84 is too soft flexing for what you’re looking for. That being said, I do think the XDR is a little bit more versatile shape and it does have nice stability with the metal under foot. It’s somewhat unique with its metal laminate under foot, with softer flexing, lighter weight tips and tails. They feel a little bit less catchy in soft snow conditions because of the early taper in the tips and tails (the Experience 84 has Extended Sidecut – very wide tips and tails). Those wide tips and tails give the Experience a really long edge contact, which translates to nice edge grip on firm snow, but at the cost of some maneuverability in soft snow. Does that make sense?

      I bring this up because you mention you’re looking to spend more time in off-piste snow conditions and terrain, and I do think the XDR 84 is a touch more appropriate for those conditions, while performing similarly on firm snow.

      What do you think?

      SE

      1. Thanks for the quick reply, very appreciated.

        So, if I understand well, you think the XDR has a softer flex, especially in the tips and tails, which makes them better for off-piste without compromising performance on groomed trails, am I right?
        I really need to try the XDR then 🙂

        By the way, I’d like to ski more off-piste, but I still plan to ski the large majority of my time…

      2. Hey Luca!

        Yup, I would say that sums up the XDR nicely. It really doesn’t sacrifice much at all on firm snow, but in my opinion is a little more forgiving and just more fun to ski off-piste. It’s not super wide and doesn’t have a ton of rocker, so to me it’s still a ski that’s most appropriate on piste most of the time, just like the way you describe your skiing.

        SE

      3. A couple more questions… 🙂

        What do you suggest between XDR 84 and 88? I’d go for the latter, but I like the shorter turn radius of the former (15m like my current skis)

        Reading various review, including yours, I understood the Experience are ski adapted to intermediate skiers too, while the XDR are more for advanced/experts. But then from your comments I understand the Salmon has a softer flex than the Rossi. Could you elaborate on this?

        Thanks in advance!

      4. Hi Luca!

        Some of the Experience skis are definitely great for more intermediate level skiers, and the 84 definitely falls into that category. The XDR collection uses some metal in its construction, so a little heavier. While the Experience is lighter, it has a thick core and a lot of camber, which makes it feel quite stiff, especially the 88. It’s great on firm snow, but can be somewhat challenging in soft snow. The XDR definitely feels softer flexing in the tips and tails, which are designed that way to handle moguls, trees, and other un-groomed terrain better and more easily.

        Between the XDR 84 and 88 the performance is pretty similar. How often are you off groomers? If it’s quite a bit I would go 88, if it’s not super often the 84 feels a little quicker edge to edge.

        Hope that helps,

        SE

  38. Greetings,

    I am looking at the Experience 84 HD as a second pair of skis. I am 5’7″, 140 lbs, 63 years old, and mostly carve Michigan groomers. I am probably an advanced skier, but not great in bumps or really steep situations. I ski the west every year. I am on a pair or 160cm Fisher Progressor 800’s and am very comfortable on that length. Is that a good length in this ski?

    1. Hi Malcolm!

      I think the 162 cm Experience 84 would be a fun ski for you! I don’t think you need to go longer, unless you find your Progressors unstable when you’re skiing faster. The 170 cm length would be just about as tall as you, which can feel like a lot of ski if you’re not used to something that long.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

  39. Hi SE,
    I have a pair of rossignol zenith 76 carbon that i love with measures 127 76 108 radius 12 and 154 long, I’m 41 with 164cm in hight and weigh close to 70kg, (I’m getting fat). I’m an intermediate to advanced skier, I like groomers, and difficult/technical off-pist, prefer powder than hard packed but will ride where ever, prefer short turns by sliding and carving than long, i like moguls but i dont have the proper skill for them yet as well as some jumps, and although I enjoy it, speed is not very important. Was thinking these 84 would be a good replacement for my zenith but would appreciate your wisdom on this even if you suggest other kind of ski for me and what length do you think would be correct one. Thank you very much for your help.
    Tristao.

    1. Hi Tristao!

      Yeah I think the Experience 84 HD would be a nice replacement to your Zenith 76. It will have a lot of similar performance characteristics on groomers, but will feel a little more capable in softer snow conditions. Definitely a little more fun in moguls in my opinion. I would think that 162 cm would be a good length for you, although if you enjoyed your 154 cm Zenith there is a 154 cm option for the Experience 84. I wonder if you’re sacrificing a little bit of stability at the 154 cm length, however. The Experience 84 is relatively lightweight, so I think going with a slightly longer length would increase stability without feeling overwhelming.

      SE

  40. Hi. I’m torn between the 84HD & 88HD Experience and 170/172 &178/180 cm length. I am 48, 5’9″ 175 lbs and currently ski on 13 year old Rossi Bandits that are 174 cm / 74 waist. I am an aggressive skier that skis on mostly blacks and blues on the east coast but looking to upgrade to all-mountain skis that will get me through some powder (on the occasional powder days) and crud/loose snow in addition to the groomers. Like going fast and desire to do both short and long turns but probably more long turns. Any suggestions?

    1. Hey Mark!

      I would go with the 88 just because it’s going to give you a little more surface area and thus a little bit better stability and performance in soft snow and crud conditions. The 88 also uses a denser wood core, which gives it a little more power, so I find it performs better at speed than the 84. Considering you like to ski fast and are trying to focus more on soft snow I think 88 is the way to go.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

  41. Just getting back into skiing after 22 years on the board. I’m a decent skier who should be relatively advanced pretty soon. I’m 42, 5’11” and 195-200lbs. I’ve only skied twice on 160’s; my first experience in parabolics. East coast skier – groomers and crud – won’t get out a ton. I’ve got a chance to buy Exp 84 demos – but have no idea if I should go with 170’s or 178’s. I’ll ski with family (two young kids) and sometimes with my pals more aggressively. Any thoughts on length? Is 178 too long? I like right turns and carving GS.

    1. Hey Sean!

      I would go with the 178 cm length. At your height and weight I think that’s the more appropriate length. They’re relatively lightweight, so I don’t think they’ll be too challenging or fatiguing for you, and they’ll give you better stability for those days when you want to ski a little more aggressively.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

  42. Looking for an All-Mtn ski that can be used as one ski quiver for uncertain / variable conditions when I can only have 1 ski (e.g., travel east and west). 80/20 groomers/off-piste. Don’t care about performance in real powder. 5’9 145#. Solid intermediate. E84HD and Navigator 80/85 are on short-list. N80 gets a ton of love in reviews but less so E84HD. I’m thinking 90mm or under would be fine given my size. What do you think? Anything else I should consider? Also, for size thinking high 160’s or low 170s since most of these options will have rocker.. Is that right? Thanks!

    PS. loving your reviews and your helpful replies to folks here.
    PPS. I submitted a question earlier and it never appeared – if this becomes a double post please feel free to delete one of them.

    1. Hi Steve!

      Two great skis! In my opinion the Navigator (both 80 and 85) are a little bit more versatile as they have more early taper and rocker in the tip of the ski. Gives it a little easier time initiating turns and maneuvering in softer snow conditions. The Experience 84 really doesn’t have much rocker, and no early taper, so it can feel a bit catchy in soft snow. The benefit is it feels great on groomers, but I do think the Navigators will be a little more user friendly for you. I would put the Salomon XDR 84 on your list too. I think it’s even more versatile than the Navigator, while still ripping turns on the frontside when you want to. I would stick right around the low 170 cm range for length.

      P.S. Thanks!
      P.P.S. Comments have to be approved before they go live to eliminate SPAM comments, I deleted the first one.

      SE

      1. thanks for your reply!

        I also read your reply to Ben on the ~90mm post and found it very helpful as well. As I’ve been reading all your reviews, I also thought the Kore 93 sounded like it could be a good fit as well.

        So here’s my thinking:

        – E84: overall get the sense that they are not great in softer and more variable snow because of their tip shape. I’m leaning towards ruling them out because it would therefore not be a good option when I don’t know what conditions I will be facing.

        – N80/85: possibly good compromise given different tip/tail shape for on-piste/off-piste. Still, I have to wonder if these weren’t such good values if people would be falling all over themselves praising them the way they are, especially the N80. Otherwise, the N80 doesn’t seem to do anything wrong, especially at my size/level. Am I missing anything here?

        – XDR84: sometimes when you read / watch reviews you get a sense of why it might be a good fit and you get excited about that. For some reason, I’m not feeling it with this ski and I don’t know why. Seems to tick a lot of the right boxes though.

        – Kore93: this sounds like the unicorn ski for the season. However, I also hear it’s quite stiff. At the same time, it’s supposed to be forgiving. I’m not sure how that translates into real world conditions especially given my size/level. Will it be more difficult to manage at slower speeds? Will I have more difficulty getting it to bend and shape the turns?

        What do you think?

      2. Hey again Steve,

        Yeah, I agree with just about all your thoughts.

        -E84: Yup, somewhat challenging in soft snow because of the lack of early taper and low rise rocker.
        -N80/N85: Yeah, some of the high praise is definitely coming from the fact that they are an impressive value, but they really are nice skis. In my opinion the N85 would be more appropriate for you. That extra 5 mm actually goes a long way in softer snow.
        -XDR 84: Fair enough, and I agree sometimes a ski just doesn’t speak to you.
        -Kore 93: We didn’t find the Kore 93 to be exceptionally stiff by any means. It’s stable considering its weight, but I don’t think it feels stiff. I don’t think it is challenging to ski at slower speeds, in fact I think that’s one of its highlights. I do think it’s more forgiving than the other 3 you’ve listed, especially in softer or variable snow conditions. I wouldn’t expect you’ll have trouble getting it to flex, no.

        Hope that helps!

        SE

      3. Appreciate your follow-up thoughts. I have to say that you guys are really making the process of buying skis online much better especially for people who don’t have the opportunity / time to demo skis the way they might like. Hopefully this process is also fun and rewarding for you all. Much thanks!!

  43. ready to dump my rossi phantom 80s 170cm 5’10 250lb 180cm or 188cm 84s or 88s? skied for many years mostly groomers and slop.

    1. Hey MT

      If you continue to ski “groomers and slop” I would say the Experience 88 is the more appropriate ski, just because of the extra width and because poplar gives it a little more stability than the paulownia wood in the 84. I would probably go with the 180 cm length. The 188 cm starts to get pretty challenging: it’s a long effective edge.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

  44. I’ve been skiing on Head Natural Instincts as a beginner ski. I’m now finding that I want to go faster and have better ability to deal with end of day crud and venturing into other terrain. I ski mostly groomed runs in Michigan with out west trip aspirations for next season. I would guess myself at advanced beginner to perhaps intermediate. I’m 50 yrs young, 5’9” and 195 lbs. Is the Experience 84 a good next step for me or could I also consider the Experience 88? I ski large turns at times and really like quick turns on groomed runs. I’m worried about reaching to far and loosing forgiveness but I also want something I can continue to grow with and expand my abilities. I’ve recently become very frustrated with the lack of my current skis ability to get through deeper and soft conditions.

    1. Hey Bryan!

      The Experience 84 HD should be a great ski for you. It’s a much better ski for someone who is progressing like yourself than the Experience 88, just because it uses a lighter weight wood in its core. It might not sound like much, but it makes it quite a bit lighter and more user-friendly. I don’t think you’re reaching too far, but I applaud you for having that mindset. Getting something that’s “too much ski” will just result in slowed progression and bad habits, but I don’t think the Experience 84 HD falls into that category by any means. It should help you continue to progress and will still be fun for you even when you get into more advanced technique.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

      1. Thank you that is very helpful. Would you recommend I stay on the short end of my height range at 162 or go up to 170 for size? Would the Salomon XDR 84 also be a good option?

      2. Hey again Bryan,

        In my opinion 170 cm is a more appropriate length for you than 162 cm. I worry that 162 cm would feel a little bit unstable. I do think the XDR 84 could work too, although it’s a little heavier and uses some metal in its construction, so a tiny bit more demanding and a little bit more fatiguing, but a really fun shape.

        SE

      3. Thanks again. I’m going to take a good look at both. After looking at descriptions for my ability I feel I’m probably more intermediate than advanced beginner at this point. I’m able to get up on the edges and link turns together and I’m pretty comfortable on most all runs available and not just greens or moderate blues. I skied a couple years about 25 yrs ago and came back to it this year so I decided to start at the very beginning with equipment and I feel like it came back quicker than I expected. I think I’ll look hard at the XDR 84 as your two reviews seem to maybe suggest it’s a little more capable overall if I’m willing to work a little harder to use it initially. Does that seem a reasonable view on my part?

      4. Hey again Bryan!

        Yup, that’s a very reasonable viewpoint. The XDR 84 will be a little more challenging at first, but I do think its shape makes it a more versatile ski. A little more rocker and that slight amount of early taper makes it feel less catchy in softer snow. Also, it sounds like you’re picking the sport back up pretty quickly and I would guess progressing pretty quickly, so you might get up to speed on the XDR 84 Ti quicker than some (less of a deterrent to progression than it would be for some less capable skiers, if that makes sense).

        SE

  45. Hey Guys, getting back into skiing after a 30 year Hiatus. Looking at the Rossignol experience hd 84 ski. I am an intermediate skier and I ski east coast trails. vermont, mass etc. I am 5’10” and 188lbs. I’m thinking the 162 length is good but want to get what’s best for me. Is the experience 84 to much ski for me and what length would you recommend. Thanks in advance. John

    1. Hey John!

      I think the Experience 84 HD will be a great ski for you! It should be a good ski to help you get back on your feet in the sport, and it doesn’t have any crazy design characteristics that will feel too weird at first. I do think, however, that you could consider bumping up to the 170 cm length. 162 cm just seems a little short for your height and weight. Even though you haven’t skied in a while I think you might find the 162 cm is a little unstable, which could lead you to feel unbalanced, and I don’t think the 170 cm length will feel outrageously long at first.

      What do you think?

      SE

      1. SE thanks for the reply! I think I will go for the 170cm. I think you’re right about feeling a little unstable with the shorter length as long as you think the longer length will be manageable for me. Thanks in advance, I really appreciate all the insight this site and you have to offer. John

  46. Hi, am an intermediate skier, trying to decide on the experience HD 84 or HD 88.

    Am mainly a piste skier with the occasional tree runs. As I mainly ski in Japan, it does get powdery. Wonder if there is a big difference between HD 84 & 88? Cheers

    1. Hi Vic!

      I would say the Experience 84 is a little more appropriate for an intermediate level skier. It uses a lighter weight wood core, so is a little bit less fatiguing and a little bit more user-friendly. Although, if you’re worried about powder performance you do get a little extra width out of the 88… I would say you could also consider going with a wider, more rockered ski that focuses less on firm snow and more on soft snow performance, although that’s somewhat personal preference.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

      1. Hi again Vic!

        Within Rossignol’s line the Sky 7 HD comes to mine. Wider than the Experience 84 and 88, more rocker in the tip and tail, but still camber underfoot so it doesn’t feel too strange on groomers. Lots of skis out there that are more appropriate in powder conditions and still retain solid ability on trail. Nordica Enforcer 93 or Santa Ana 93 (women’s) comes to mind, as does the Head Kore 93, the 2019 Blizzard Rustler 9, etc etc.

        Happy to chat more about it if you’d like,

        SE

  47. Hi

    I would like to buy me a pair of skis Rossignol 84HD, but I’m not sure which size to go: 178 or 186cm?
    I’m an advanced skier who likes to switch between on and off the prepared slopes. On the slope I like to go fast and carve a lot, off the slope I’m building up my skills every year so no beginner anymore, I would say more intermediate. I’m 190cm tall, 90kg heavy & 35 years young.
    If I look at the chart of Rossignol they propose 178cm (size+weight), but they mention if you are an advanced/expert skier, they suggest a longer size = 186cm. So I would like to buy the correct size for now and the coming 5 years trying to improve still my technique to a more advanced/expert skier.
    What do you suggest is the correct size?
    Thanks in advance for your feedback!

    1. Hi Tim!

      I think it’s a bit of a toss up. At your size you could justify going with the 186 cm, but it might be a bit challenging for you when you’re in un-groomed conditions and trickier terrain. I think on groomers you’d probably prefer the 186 cm since you say you like to ski fast. It just might be a little harder for you to maneuver when the terrain gets tougher. What length skis have you been on in the past? If it’s a big jump to 186 cm from what you’ve been in the past it might make more sense to go with the 178 cm and then 5 years down the road when you’re more advanced you can move to the longer lengths.

      SE

      1. Thx for your advice SE, I’ve skied the last years on rental skis from 172cm till 180cm, so I will go for the ‘same’ size = 178cm.

  48. Hi SE, I need some advice, I am looking at Rossi Experience 84, rossi Experience 88, Nordica Navigator 85 and Salomon XDR 84 for my next purchase, but you can recommend others as well.
    I’m an intermediate non-carver, 1.88m tall with 63kg (super light) and I stay mostly on groomers and only afternoon I have to deal with moguls, bumps and soft snow (plus bad weather scenarios), I don’t go offpiste. I ski around 2 weeks in a year, now I have some old 170cm atomics with 74 waist and around 12m radius which I like how they feel on edge, are stable at high speeds, but they are killing me on moguls and soft snow, so I need something more all mountain which could help me in all snow conditions and also help me learn some carving and improve my general skiing technique, because now I just do skidding even on black runs, and a sort of long almost-carves on blues and easy reds.
    What skis do you recommend and what length considering I’m so lightweight? Thanks!

    1. Hi Florin!

      I’m leaning towards the XDR 84 for you, and here’s why. It has a great feel on edge, and still feels relatively stable at high speeds, but the tips and tails are softer flexing as the metal does not extend into the tip. It gives the ski a great feel in moguls and soft snow (one of the highlights in our opinion) and provides a more forgiving feel without sacrificing performance. I also think they have a nice feel to help you improve your carving. The other three skis you listed could work too, but the XDR has nice turn initiation and because the metal doesn’t extend into the tip they also are less torsionally stiff on the tips and tails, which helps skiers like yourself enter into, and exit out of carving turns.

      What do you think?

      SE

      1. I really appreciate your argumentation, indeed the XDR 84 seem to be what I need, I will try to buy them and I hope I won’t regret it.
        What size do you think I should go for, considering I’m very tall but very skinny? I see they have 165, 172, 179, 186 cm variants.

      2. Hey Florin!

        Sorry, forgot to mention length. I think you’d be happy with 179 cm. At your height you have a lot of leverage, so you might find the shorter lengths a bit unstable even though you’re pretty lightweight. The 186 cm, on the other hand, might be a bit of a deterrent to progression, which is why I think 179 cm is probably best.

        SE

  49. Hi,
    I am seriously considering these skis as I have to change my old Rossignol Zenith z5 oversize 170cm that I am using for over 10 years now and was very happy with. I am 54y/o 5’11’’ and think to go for the 178 size.
    I am concerned if short turns will be more difficult than with my old skis.

    1. Hi Chris!

      I think you’ll find they make short turns relatively easily. It doesn’t have a super long turn radius, and it’s pretty easy to release the tail edge and get the ski to pivot or skid a turn. The 178 cm length feels appropriate for your size too.

      SE

      1. Thank you SE for your reply.
        I was thinking I could get the 170 (same length as I have now) but worry I may regret it later.

      2. Hi again Chris!

        I really think you’ll be just fine on the 178 cm length. It’s a pretty manageable ski and I don’t think 178 cm is too long for you by any means.

        SE

  50. Bought mine in December and used them for a week in Austria, and about to use them again next week.
    Awesome ski they replaced my Salomon X-Wings and are better in every way.
    Super fast fantastic carving and even cope with ice.
    Recommend AAA+++

  51. I have been on the fence about buying my first equipment, but I demoed some Rossignol Experience 84 HDs (2018) this weekend, and fell in love. Carving felt effortless, my technique felt better, and overall, felt like my body was taking less of a beating. 30 year old, Male, 155-160lbs, 5’8″

    I would rate my skiing as a strong intermediate, approaching advanced that prefers groomers, with limited back country. Based in NYC, I am usually limited to skiing the East Coast ~5-6 days on the east coast, with one week a year in Europe (preferred) or West Coast. I have been renting Demos/High Performance where available, as standard rentals don’t seem to cut it, and these are the first skis that really “spoke” to me.

    A couple questions:

    1. Is there much difference between the E84 HD from 2017 vs 2018?

    2. The demos I skied on were 162cm, and felt great. However, I am wondering if I should be considering stepping up to 170cm. My preference have always been for ~165cm.

    1. Hi Cory!

      Glad you found a ski you love! They really are a lot of fun. My best answers:

      1. Nope! It’s just a graphics change. There’s no difference in construction, performance, etc.

      2. I do think at your size the 170 cm is arguably the more appropriate length, but there’s something to be said about the fact you tried the 162 cm and liked it. It is on the shorter side, but if you’re not skiing really fast and didn’t find it unstable you could stick with that length. You’ll gain some stability, edge grip, etc with the longer length, but if you don’t feel like you need that after trying the 162 cm you don’t necessarily need to go longer.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

  52. Hi,
    I am in the market for a new set of skis. I currently have ELAN 777 which I have been using for 10 years. I would be classified as intermediate to advanced and ski groomers but find myself expanding more into un-groomed trails and bumps. I am 5’8″, 155 lbs (58 years old). I am from the east but spend a week per year out west skiing in Montana. Do you think the Rossignol 84 would be appropriate for me?
    Thanks,
    Keith

    1. Hi Keith!

      Yeah I think the Experience 84 HD would be a great ski for you! It’s definitely going to be an improvement over your current skis. It handles groomers really well, and will give you an easier time when you’re venturing into ungroomed terrain, moguls, etc. It’s a good “mostly east coast, a little west coast” ski for sure.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

      1. Thank you SE; I was able to demo the 88 (84’s weren’t available) and they definitely provided more stability compared to my current ELAN 777.
        I appreciate the input.
        Keith

  53. Hi, I was previously on a pair of Rossignol 9s 164 cm. Loved them but wore them out. Now I on Rossi 84 E at 178 cm. They feel a little long with the 16 m radius. They’re great skis and love the rocker but I was wondering if I would be better off on 170 cm. I’m 5′ 11” 160 lbs.

    Thanks, Jeff

    1. Hi Jeff!

      I don’t think 178 cm is too long for your size by any means and I wonder if whether downsizing wouldn’t necessarily give you what you’re looking for. Is it the turn shape that feels long? It might make more sense to pick up a different ski, maybe more of a slalom inspired frontside carving ski? If it’s a smaller turn shape you’re looking for I think that makes more sense.

      What do you think?

      SE

  54. Hello,

    I am looking to replace my current ski, the Blizzard Carbon Magnum 7.4, 163cm. I am in the intermediate/advanced skill level. I was looking at these skis as well as the Volk Kanjo and the Blizzard 8.0ti. I ski often, almost every weekend. Height 5’9″ weight 184. Any recommendations would be great. I don’t know if I would be comfortable on skiing with a width of 88mm going from 74mm. I am an aggressive skier, but stays mainly on piste.

    Thanks

    1. Hi Adam!

      The Kanjo is only 84 mm, like the Experience 84, so only a jump of 10 mm if you end up going with either of those skis. I think the Quattro 8.0 Ti could be a great choice for you considering you spend most of your time on piste. If you wanted a slightly more versatile ski to take into softer snow conditions The Kanjo is quite maneuverable in trees, moguls, and other tight terrain. The Experience 84 HD kind of sits in between the two in terms of versatility in my opinion. Both the Kanjo and Experience 84 do great on groomers. The Quattro 8.0 Ti would be an easy transition from your current skis. It’ll feel familiar, but better. The other two would be a little bit more of an adjustment, but not much. I think it comes down to how often you ski softer snow or ungroomed terrain. If it’s not much at all I’d go with the Quattro 8.0.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

  55. Hi there. I am in a situation where I can’t really decide if this are the skis I need.

    My current skis are a 180cm long Fischer RC4 RC 2015/16 model (I think they have 18m radius).

    I am an experienced skier, but I lack a good technique and I would put myself around 6.5-7/10.
    I find the RC4 Fischer a bit hard to use, I LOVE the stiffness and the grip on icy terrain, but I find myself out of balance from time to time.
    After a full day with them, I feel that they are a bit advanced for me, I enjoyed it, but know they are not the right for me. I can use them, but I must be always very concentrated, which sometimes takes the fun out of skiing for me.

    To be honest, I would have sold them and got another pair, but finding a perfect piste conditions for them (hard, icy) always gives me insane performance and I would miss them a lot.

    Since the Fischer skis are totally unusable when it snows/in the afternoon, when the piste is soft and bumpy (at least for my skill), I want to buy a second pair of skis that I can take ski with ease, take them off-piste (with the Fishers, off-piste is a definitive NO-GO) and just have fun.

    I found this ROSSIGNOL EXPERIENCE 84 HD and I think they will be perfect. How would you comment on that? Should I get the 178 or the 186cm ones? I am 190cm, 80kg and I always thought, since I’m not heavy, shorter skies will work just fine.

    Sorry for the long message, I had to give you an overview, thanks for your wisdom if you decide to answer!

    1. Hi Alex!

      The Experience 84 will definitely give you a more user-friendly skiing experience in softer snow and when things get bumped up and variable in the afternoon. It has a softer flex profile than your RC4s and is also lighter, so is considerably less tiring over a long day of skiing. You might even find that they help you improve your technique. They don’t require as much skier input as your current skis so in theory will help you progress your carving turns, allow you to make different turn shapes more easily, etc, which in turn will help you enjoy your RC4s even more than you already do.

      I think you’ll be just fine on the 178 cm considering your RC4s are 180 cm. I also think going with the 186 cm would somewhat decrease the overall forgiveness and ease-of-use, which is essentially what you’re going for in the first place. I would expect the 178 cm to be about “eye-height,” which is a perfectly acceptable length for a ski like the Experience 84.

      Hope that helps!

      SE

      1. Thank you SO much for the answer!

        How would you compare the Rossi HD 84/88 to Fischer Pro Mtn 95 TI, Ranger 98 TI or the HEAD Kore 93. This are choices I have narrowed down.

        The MTN 95 TI Pro might be stiffer, but I assume not so much as the RC4s (and of course the wider base will complicate turning a bit, but still way better than the RC4.
        About the HEAD Kore and the Fischer Ranger I’m a bit confused.
        I need something that will preform somewhat decent in deep snow/light powder, as well as on icy morning groomers.

      2. Hi Alex!

        Compared to those three skis the Experience 84 or 88 HD both are designed with more of a firm snow, groomer-specific shape. It has “Extended Sidecut” so the tips and tails are quite wide at the end of the ski. It gives it great edge grip and a really nice connection to the snow. The Kore 93 is a good comparison because it uses much more early taper (the widest point is further back on the tip) and more tip and tail rocker. This really starts to make it more maneuverable in softer snow conditions. So, while I said the Experience will give you a much easier time in soft snow compared to your RC4s, the Kore 93 would take it that much further. The Ranger 98 Ti is starting to get a little bit wider than I think you really need, unless you really want to give yourself more performance specifically in soft snow. There are plenty of people that ski something that wide every day and it would be a nice compliment to your RC4s (soft snow ski vs hard snow ski). The Pro Mountain 95 is similar to the Ranger in feel, actually, but focuses a little more on groomer performance, while still handling soft snow quite well.

        What you’re asking for is something that a lot of skiers are asking for: a combination of performance in deep snow and on icy groomers. Unfortunately those are on opposite ends of the ski performance spectrum, so you have to decide where on that spectrum you want to fall.

        Does that make sense?

        SE

      3. It makes a lot of sense, thank you for the good and long explanation. I guess I want to go away from the RC4, so a second pair is not a replacement, but a addition. I will go for the Ranger 98 Ti (or similar – Nordica/Head) ski or the MTN 95 Ti. Still checking around to figure out if the 95 won’t be close to the unforgiving and stiffens of the RC4s.

  56. I am a beginner skier, 5’11”, 49 years old. I only ski on groomers. Do you recommend this ski, the Experience 84, or the Experience 77? Also, what size do you think I should get?

    1. Hi Theodore!

      How many times have you skied? Have you been on rental skis so far? How has your turning progressed?

      I think a beginner skier could grow into the Experience 84 HD without it being too overwhelming at first. I wouldn’t, however, recommend it to a first-timer or someone who was still using the snow plow as a predominant movement in their skiing. Even then, it’s a bit stiffer than most beginner skis.

      The Experience 77 is drastically different in terms of stiffness, ease of use, etc. It is definitely a much more appropriate “beginner” ski, but also one that you could outgrow relatively easily. The Experience 80 kind of splits the difference, that might be one to look in to.

      I would look for something in the mid to high 160 cm range. Should be manageable, while giving you some stability as you start to ski faster.

      Hope that helps,

      SE

  57. What size do you recommend? I am a 6’1” male, 167lbs, 44 years old. I will use the ski mainly on the groomers. I want to balance using them when I ski fast with friends or slow with the wife and kid. My level is a solid intermediate, close to advanced.

    1. Hi Jeroen!

      I would think the 178 cm would be best for you, unless you typically prefer shorter or longer skis. I think that length will be a nice blend of what you’re looking for. Stable enough to ski fast, but maneuverable and light enough that it’s not a pain when you’re skiing with your family.

      What do you think?

      SE

      1. Thanks for your response, it makes sense to go with the 178cm. 10 years ago I would have picked the 186 😉

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